Anakee Wild - To buy or not to buy - Another perspective

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So after a very long Wait the Anakee Wild Tyres arrived in RSA. It was almost like a big secret as I saw no adverts telling us the "good" or "not so good" news.

I ride a '12 1200GSA air cooled.

I had seen them in Germany and was excited when they arrived here.

Unfortunately the tyre "cartell" (I wonder if these guys collude with their pricing?) had made sure that the prices were sort of on par with the other big names.

I fitted a back "Wild" sticking to my old favorite TKC front as I was taking some friends for a ride through the Tankwa, Ou Berg, Sutherland to Uniondale, Van Wyks Dorp and back to CT. A trip of about 1500kms over 4 days.

We had a German couple with us that rode very slowly which meant that I don't think I ever exceeded the speed limit both on and off road.

As I left the store the immediate thing that hit me was how noisy they are, I was amazed. 

The second thing I picked up more off than on road but it certainly was there this feeling as if your tyre was deflating and the bike was wallowing almost. This made sure that I rode with the tyre pressures on the dash all the time.

As the tyre got some kms on it appeared that the road noise quietened a bit.

I found it's tar and dirt road braking ability to be really good. I guess as it has a soft rubber compound.

I also liked its road holding ability when riding on hard packed dirt with a sprinkling of sand or loose shale on it, I had to really try to get it to break away.

With about 80kms on the tyre on tar the rear did break away when I had to break hard and turn so as not to overshoot a corner. This was very scary but I put it down to the "new" tyre.

Tyre pressure...............nobody seems to be able to ascertain to what extent the tyre should/can be deflated. Even websites are confused with some saying DO NOT REDUCE PRESSURE.

So I started off road with normal road pressure (2.8bar) off road and almost lost all of my teeth. Then went to 2.0 bar, still loosing teeth, then to 1.8 bar.

As a rider that believes in riding at 1.4 bar front and back off road never with any issues except great road holding the bike for me was as skittish as hell and I hated it.

To try to match the Wild Rear I only deflated the TKC front to 1.6bar.

I think that if I could reduce the "Wild" to 1.4 bar on dirt it would be a fantastic tyre assisted by its soft rubber compound.

I think I could get used to the "wallowing" feeling by just watching the tyre pressure on the dash board.

Sadly I don't think that the tyre will last (unless your name is Uwe who manages to eek kms out of any tyres). I recon this will be a 3500/4000km tyre if not nursed along.

I wish I could get clarity on what the true status quo is regarding off road tyre pressures.

At this stage I would NOT by another one of these tyres purely for range and tyre pressure reasons.

Oh and coming home over DuToits kloof the rear tyre worked very well.

Finally (and here I blame the tyre pressure rightly or wrongly) I sustained the most damage ever on any bike on this ride. Not only did I bend the "stabilizer" bar that runs above the drive shaft but also bent the "grab rail" that the top box sits on.

Over all the years and so many thousands of Kms ridden off road often in hectic conditions I and occasionally at speeds slightly over the limit (yea right) have never succeeded in damaging these parts even with a fully loaded top box!

Makes me wonder.

Now would Inspector Grinton find out the tyre pressure truth please.

 

 

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It's a nice looking tyre, but I think that your post answers any questions I might have  - thanks Geoff!

I'll stick with my TKC's - Out of which I've gotten 14 000 Km's (Rear) on my 800 - possibly attributable to only VERY occasionally (hehehehe!) exceeding the speed limit.....

Craig C

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I have quit experimenting with different tyre brands, The Metzler Tourance is the tyre of choice, Granted I no longer do the extreme dirt (or even gravel roads at all) and have avoided them but on the odd occasion I've been there. On surfaced roads this tyre give me a comfortable feel. 

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Thanks for this review Geoff.....I have recently put these on my bike and have been struggling to feel comfortable off-road. the first ride i left the tire pressures as recommended and also almost lost my teeth! My bike (1200GS) also felt like a jack hammer over any small bumps and corrugations....bloody terrible!!

next ride the pressure is coming way down....2bar i think and i go from there....To Be Continued ;)

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Geoff Russell wrote:

Now would Inspector Grinton find out the tyre pressure truth please.

I will ring Head office ....again!

and I will leave a message....again!

Will CHASE them now, Geoff....

thanks, Chris

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I have spoken to Anton V, the National Sales Manager, who will (again) escalate the queries to Michelin South Africa, and revert soonest - thanks

Chris

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Thanks Chris

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Geoff Russell wrote:

Thanks Chris

24 hours later, no word - yet - from importers nor Michelin, but will call them before 4pm today (Friday!) to see if I can apply some heat....

thanks, Chris

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unbelievable..........but not really.

I e mailed Semonkong Lodge in Lesotho on Wednesday regarding a Tour booking for May, no response. Called today, no answer.

Fantastic service.

 

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Welcome to AFRICA

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I have just given my new (ish) 1500kms Anakee Wild rear tyre a really good going over (this time with my glasses on).

Alas the wear and tear is worse than I thought and there is no way that it will complete the upcoming Lesotho Tour of just over 3000kms.

The amount of wear is amazingly bad for such low mileage.

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zebra wrote:

Geoff Russell wrote:

Thanks Chris

24 hours later, no word - yet - from importers nor Michelin, but will call them before 4pm today (Friday!) to see if I can apply some heat....

thanks, Chris

called JHB, Anton is out of the office, they wont give out his cell number, will keep trying his direct line, and have re-sent him last weeks e-mail, which he promised to respond to.

Stay tuned.

Chris

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Here is a guy that did a trip of 4000 miles and kept updating as he went. It is on a Ducati Multistrada Enduro but still a big heavy bike.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13AsmHOqY_o&t=6s

 

 

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Any luck yet Chris?

My next tyre will either be the Wilds or the Karoo3's.

I must say looking at videos and reviews online the Wilds are creeping slowly to the top. Radials kinda make sense on the big bikes. Just a bit worried about the airing down/ don't air down and the report that says it's then too hard feeling off-road. 

 

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Chris,

Am I delusional or am I picking up Anakee Wilds with a slightly different tread pattern to what we have in RSA?

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the 'saga' was escalated to France H/O by Michelin South Africa - I am just giving them time to reply, and simultaneously providing them with 'later' info updates, since I first sent them articles on 03rd Jan...

Wil post here as soon as I hear anything...

Cheers

Chris

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yes, we wondered about this, too...

Wrote this to them 21st November... "

Hi Shaun – the tread pattern on the Anakee Wild brochure you sent us (2-block ‘stagger’…) is DIFFERENT to the tyres we collected from you?

Any idea why – different models, maybe?

thanks

Chris & Team

Never got a satisfactory reply - will follow up again...

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reply received from France, relayed via JHB, to us:

 

Good morning Chris,

 

With reference to our last conversation, please see below reply from our global field engineer for 2 wheel.

“Hello Louis,

I come back to you regarding your last requests.

1/ Concerning the inflation pressure with Anakee Wild for off road usage, our reply is very clear = the rider must respect the pressures recommended by the manufacturer of the vehicle. We DON’T HAVE any specific recommendations for an off road usage with our Anakee Wild product. This tire has been designed with BMW for their needs and recommendations.

Furthermore, there is no tire manufacturer who communicates on inflation pressures in case of off road usage with these kind of motorcycles (BMW R1200GS, KTM ADVENTURE, etc)”

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OK, maybe more to follow

Chris

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Hmmm interesting...so what exactly ARE their recommended pressures then?

Printed on the sidewall? Or is it then just BMW's recommended pressures...I think 2.5 Front and 2.9 rear iirc?

 

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This response from Anakee sounds a bit like Ford's response to the fire issue on the Ford Kouga's.

Politician talk there mouths are moving but nothing worthwhile is coming out.

If they don't know who the heck does.

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Chris I have sent you a picture of a brand new Anakee Wild in Germany. The tread pattern looks decidedly different.

Thanks for your meticulous follow up. Something we have become accustomed to from all at Flying Brick.

It is no wonder you guys are so successful.

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Thanks for the persistent and meticulous follow-ups Chris - even if you are getting little more than canned answers.....

Which is a little perplexing, because Michelin have supplied some of the best car tyres I've ever used. 

And so just like Ford - I won't be putting my life in their hands anytime soon again either.........

Roll on TKC's........

Craig C

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I don't understand what you guys don't understand about the reply.  They are saying that you must follow the vehicle manufacturer's recommendations for tyre pressure off-road.  So, obviously:

  1. The pressures indicated on the sidewall of the tyre cannot possibly apply, because it depends on which bike the tyre is fitted.
  2. Michelin cannot give any advice because BMW have not told them what advice to give.

If I have these tyres, I will drop the pressure off-road to make my ride comfortable and give me the traction I need.  Geoff's recommendations are as good as any: 1.4 front and back, and lower in thick sand.

And if the tyre wears out too quickly, I just won't buy it again and put it down to school fees.

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Thanks Charles......

Some more info from Michelin :

"The pressure rating on the sidewalls merely notes the maximum for the bike’s performance and weight, it’s not a suggested pressure to ride on".

"As such, always use the pressures listed in the bike’s manual, not the one on the sidewall of the tire"! (but the manual does not give suggested off road pressures)

Michelin also suggests that you do not air down this tire for the trail. They designed this radial to perform with said proper air pressure, so consider that one on your ride. And so we did as we hit the trail, although old habits are hard to break. I personally compromised. Instead of dropping to 25 psi (1.7 bar) front and rear as I typically do, I only ‘took the edge off’ and ran the rest of the day, both on and off the trail, with 30(2bar)/32(2.2bar)psi front and rear, down from the OE recommended (single rider) 32(2.2)/36(2.5Bar)psi.

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What I find even more concerning is the different tread. Imho it then cannot be the same tyre as in EU thus could be completely different compound, road manners, offroad manners etc.

 

As it stands now I'm just going to go Karoo 3's  even though i would have liked to go with the Wild's since they are radial.

But then I need to be sure they are the same tyre as the ones i read about online (Or as per review video I posted)

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