2010 R1200GS Vibration

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Hi there from the big smoke.

I recently purchased a 2010 R1200GS (my 1st BMW). I noticed an engine vibration above 4000rpm, which is mostly felt in my feet. Has anyone experienced something similar? The vibration started suddenly at around 200km on the odo. At that time I though it was a change in road surface! The bike is going for its 1000km service this week, and hope the dealer can sort it out.

 

 

 

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never heard of such, suggets you ask dealer to look at it sooner rather than wait.

 

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The engine design as such will give you a busy type of vibration (opposed twin cylinder) For the record I am on my 7th GS, 1 off 650. and they all vibrated. My current one a 2008 1200's vibrates at 4000 rpm and if held at a steady throttle that vibration disappears after a short while, maybe 1 or 2 minuts.

My experience is that after about 20K the bike is well run in and then she goes really well. Good luck and may your mirrors never touch the ground.

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The vibration you experiencing is not unique.I have just ridden my 2010 30yr Adv in and did my first long trip.I got pins and needles in my hands within 30 kays.It was the first time I cruised at 5500 to 6500rpm.Even my nose started itching.After browsing a few forums like Advrider I saw this was a common problem.My hands only recovered after 4 days.I'm not a new Gs rider,I've owned 3Hp2's and 2 Adventures.All of them had some vibration but not at a constant resonance that causes my hands to tingle.Please log this fault with your dealer because it is the only way BMW will respond to the problem.Vibration of this sort is very bad for your body as anyone that has read a chainsaw manual knows that you should stop immediately when your hands go numb.Class action medical suit waiting to happen!

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The new RT has rubber mounted handlebars.Why would BMW suddenly fit rubber mounts if the previous model got by without them?I'm a mechanical engineer specializing in vibration and engine monitoring.This is not a tyre/surface or virgin rider problem.The harmonics of the boxer motor changed with the new valve train.In the short term I'm going to get BMW to fit the Rt yoke with rubber mounts to limit the felt vibration.I would have to check if the offsets and sizing is the same.This however is not a fix,it just will make it bearable.

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Interesting phenomenon!

I have had 2 of the 2010 upgrade models. The latest one I rode on the Wild Coast Tour.

I certainly have had no "unusual" vibrations but then I doubt that I cruise at between 5500 & 6500 RPM.

Having said this on a rush back from a Recce on the previous 2010 model where I was traveling at...........let me be diplomatic...... well over where I should legally have been, I found it incredibly smooth at high speed over a long distance.

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We have 2 2010gs ADV's in the family.The one smoother than the other.After some  research it looks like a combination of valve clearance,throttle body sync and fuel quality.All guesses of course.I'm going to fit vibration monitoring equipment on both and an 2008 Adv. I'll post the resulting graph on the forum.

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There has been some discussion on certain fuels giving less vibration than others. I am also aware that the boxers do run lean for a variety of reasons.  This can be one of the areas to be explored. Is there a boxer motor out there (not in an aircraft) fitted with a Power-commander, if so I and many others would love to read your findings. A friend fitterd a P-C to his 990 Adventure with stunning results, less vibration and more power. 

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Hi,

I'm a GSA novice, my current 2010 model one is my first, and I too suffered the pins and needles syndrome for the first few 1000 km's. I had the same problem with my 800 after I first got it, but it went away after I realised I was exercising "death-grip" ... I naturally assumed that I was nervous after moving to the 2010 GSA so thought nothing more of it. But it is disconcerting to hear that other, more experienced riders also suffer from this.

On more recent trips I've found that I have the pins & needles/numbness initially, but that it subsides after an hour or so.

I was told by Goose that there is no BMW-authorised Power Commander for use in South Africa - they have only authorised it for use in the USA. You would therefore void your warranty if you fitted one! Likewise, you void the warranty if you use the incorrect octane fuel or add octane-boosters.

Goose is busy wrestling with BMW about the lean air-fuel issue - let's all hope he gets results and BMW allows SA boxers to be programmed to run richer! Note that his main gripe is with the 2009 model engine, though apparently the 2010 engine also runs too lean below about 4000rpm, according to their dyno results.

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Seems that the vibration problem is noticed here in the UK as well - just as I'm about to put a £3000deposit on a 30th Anniversary GSA....

 

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2468810#post2468810

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Own a 30year GS and I too experience the dreaded pronounced vibrations between 4000-5000 RPM, Just when you're expecting that sweet spot at around 130KM/H then this racket appears. I do hope the dealer will be able to sort this. I have also noticed that my entire exhaust system, other than the end can, has discolored to quite a pronounced gold colour, now I know they discolor but always around the header exiting the heads and usually it gold/blue, however on my new gs just the entire pipe gold, I wonder if it's fueling  is as  it should be.By blipping the throttle I am also , at times, able to induce a very loud engine knock, anyone else experiencing this?

I see on ADV Rider some of the owners of the dohc GS are also complaining about this, so its not just "our low grade fuel" that's causing this... Hope they find a fix as my new bike experience is a little ruined.      

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TBK, you are echoing all my symptoms (and sentiments)! My bike has now done 2500km’s, and is not getting any better. In fact, I think it is getting worse. I also noted that it is worse when the bike is warm. I.e. In the mornings to work the vibration is not as bad for the 1st 20km’s or so.

 

I did complain about this at my 1000km service, but was told nothing is wrong. Last Saturday I lodged an official compliant about the vibration through my local dealer in PTA. I have not yet had any feedback from BMW, but will give them another couple of days to respond before I follow up. Was told I am the 1st complainant in PTA. I think it is important that those not happy with the vibration lodge it officially with BMW.

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Count me in.  I'm experiencing the same vibs with my 2010 R1200GS.  The run up to the Wild Coast and back in August had my hands buzzzzing.  The exhaust discolouration on my bike also leads me to think that the exhaust gas temparatures are elevated above those experienced before, possibly indicating a lean mixture?  The only solution has been to use my K1200S instead, four cylinders are just so much smoother :-)

 

 

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Tjoek wrote:

TBK, you are echoing all my symptoms (and sentiments)! My bike has now done 2500km’s, and is not getting any better. In fact, I think it is getting worse. I also noted that it is worse when the bike is warm. I.e. In the mornings to work the vibration is not as bad for the 1st 20km’s or so.

 

I did complain about this at my 1000km service, but was told nothing is wrong. Last Saturday I lodged an official compliant about the vibration through my local dealer in PTA. I have not yet had any feedback from BMW, but will give them another couple of days to respond before I follow up. Was told I am the 1st complainant in PTA. I think it is important that those not happy with the vibration lodge it officially with BMW.

 

Looks like that's a standard answer mate. This problem is huge with a lot of the UK chaps complaining about the same problem.

It is however VERY important to lodge the issue with BMW and ensure it's on the service record. However you will wait (as we have and still are) for resolution for a long time...........

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not sure what you guys are complaining about... my 2009 ADV is as smooth as anything...

Maybe the good Aussie air or fuel or perhaps the places I take her is why I don't notice any vibrations Tongue out

http://www.bikepics.com/members/pantsula/09r1200gsadv/

 

Good luck! I will keep an eye on this thread for an outcome.

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katoong wrote:

not sure what you guys are complaining about... my 2009 ADV is as smooth as anything...

Maybe the good Aussie air or fuel or perhaps the places I take her is why I don't notice any vibrations Tongue out

http://www.bikepics.com/members/pantsula/09r1200gsadv/

 

Good luck! I will keep an eye on this thread for an outcome.

 

Katoong, glad that you are happy with your machine. This discussion is particular to the vibration experienced on the DOHC 2010 models. 

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Tjoek wrote:

katoong wrote:

not sure what you guys are complaining about... my 2009 ADV is as smooth as anything...

Maybe the good Aussie air or fuel or perhaps the places I take her is why I don't notice any vibrations Tongue out

http://www.bikepics.com/members/pantsula/09r1200gsadv/

 

Good luck! I will keep an eye on this thread for an outcome.

 

Katoong, glad that you are happy with your machine. This discussion is particular to the vibration experienced on the DOHC 2010 models. 

Ah right :-) thanks for the info!

good luck, hopefully it gets sorted out.

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Tjoek wrote:

katoong wrote:

not sure what you guys are complaining about... my 2009 ADV is as smooth as anything...

Maybe the good Aussie air or fuel or perhaps the places I take her is why I don't notice any vibrations Tongue out

http://www.bikepics.com/members/pantsula/09r1200gsadv/

 

Good luck! I will keep an eye on this thread for an outcome.

 

Katoong, glad that you are happy with your machine. This discussion is particular to the vibration experienced on the DOHC 2010 models. 

Ah right :-) thanks for the info!

good luck, hopefully it gets sorted out.

Cheers

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Thirteen of us left Bloem and Kimberley to George and back to Gariep covering 2400km of dirt and tar roads.I rode 5 2010 and 2 2008 Gs's back to back.The vibration is not caused by fuel.We used 93 and 95 unleaded and all the bikes were run on the same fuel.Three of the 5 2010's had the dreaded hand numbing vibration.It's not the tyres,Tkc,Anakee and Tourances were fitted.All three that had the vibration had diferent tyres.I can see why some new owners say that the 2010 has less vibration than the previous model.After riding the older model I found the vibration in the handlebars to be at a lower frequency.The 2010 vibration could feel smoother because of the finer or higher frequency,but it is exactly this higher frequency that causes the numbing of the hands.It can only be down to internal balancing of the motor.I've ridden an HP2 4500km's in 10 days and never experienced any numbness in my hands.It does not even have a balance shaft and should theoretically have worse vibration.Its been a week since riding and my hands still tingle.As I have said before,log an official complaint with a reference number so we can get this sorted.

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I rode another 2010 gs and another 08 gs back to back with mine. The tests were done at low to high speed and I must say that my bike is distinctly more "vibier" than both the other two bikes, the other riders confirmed my comments.

So for good measure I will lodge an official complaint and see what it brings.

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As Andy pointed out in the second posting on this thread, if you think you have a problem take your bike back to your dealer, talk to the service manager, explain your perceived problem and let them decide on a plan of action, if any.

Posting here may be of interest to other 2010 GS1200 riders but only your dealers can investigate the issues that some of you claim to have and if problems are confirmed, remedy them.

I can't comment on dealerships outside of CT but the CT area dealers generally have a good reputation of going the extra mile to sort out issues.

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Interesting.

On a recent trip, a guy was using his father's new 1200GS. Both he and someone else who rode the bike complained of bad vibrations.

There are so many problems in this world. Luckily there's a wristband available for almost all of them.
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Yesterday Mr. Rob Holder (GM, BMW Motorcycles SA) of BMW phoned me in person. He assured me that they will perform a comprehensive diagnostic on my bike. I must compliment him for getting involved in person. I will keep you posted. No date set for the diagnostic yet.

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Great news!

A call from Rob Holder the Head Honcho of BMW SA. That is great customer service!

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Spoken to soon about great customer service, as the bike in question was found to have nothing wrong with it! 

My experience of vibrations on the other hand has been acknowledged and explained with "that is how the new engines are"

I do not accept this as some bikes suffer from this problem and others not. I have actually experienced two DOHC bikes with distinctly different vibration levels.

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Guys, guys guys. If you by a GS (Geländesport = rough terrain) motorbike, you should not complain about some vibrations. The bikes are for the tough guys (like Geoff) that want to ride. Buy a Harley if you don't want vibrations. A friend of mine has got one and he says that after 30 minutes on the Harley you don't feel anything any more. You can even sit on an ant hill without feeling the ants. Wink

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tbk wrote:

Spoken to soon about great customer service, as the bike in question was found to have nothing wrong with it! 

My experience of vibrations on the other hand has been acknowledged and explained with "that is how the new engines are"

I do not accept this as some bikes suffer from this problem and others not. I have actually experienced two DOHC bikes with distinctly different vibration levels.

 

 

I beg to differ here. Do yourself a favour and do some research on the UKGSer.com site - most of the new 2010 model owners complain about the vibrations.

A question that needs to be answered as well as pointing to the problem... is why the new RT has suddenly had the handlebar mounts replaced with rubber ones...?

Quoted from Webbikeworld's Review

".... the handlebar is now also mounted on rubber bearings to cancel out vibrations"

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I am so glad to hear that I am not alone about the 2010, simply I am sick of the GS, it is such a disappointment.  Phone calls and emails get you nowhere. I got 3 issues, oil usage, detonation and vibration. I got 11000km on the clock and my oil usage is 300ml per 1000km. that is within spec as live with it, is the answer.  Detonation, it is our bad fuel, so if you don’t like it, add an additive is the solution. Vibration, I can’t do more than 90min and I am finished. My hands, feet and backside is dead. That normally suits me fine, because by then I am out of fuel. On me way to BMW now, they are going for fit a softer seat, which they say will help. They are trying things now as I am insisting on my money back, will let you know the result.

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I am on my 3rd 2010 Adventure and have had no such problems and love the bikes.

You are new to our Forum Etienne so we do not know where you are from but I would love to ride one of these bikes with the so called "vibration" to see what you guys are complaining about.

I reiterate what I said in one of the previous posting on this thread  :-

"Posting here may be of interest to other 2010 GS1200 riders but only your dealers can investigate the issues that some of you claim to have and if problems are confirmed, remedy them.

I can't comment on dealerships outside of CT but the CT area dealers generally have a good reputation of going the extra mile to sort out issues".

Forget e mails, go and see the dealer principle and discuss your issues with them.

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Thanks for your response, out of your group, I am the only one with a GS, all the others have ADV 2009 and earlier, and none have my problems. Well I just got back from BMW and they fitted an ADV seat, so I give it a try.  The things a said previously were the answers from a director of Motorrad SA.

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I doubt the seat will help.

If your backside is anything like mine it still gets eina after most long rides.

Where are you based Eteinne?

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